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own self in a broader and deeper way. but also to be able to help other people. and you know, i have two girls who have been leaning in since the day they were born, i think. they're both very interested in the outside world. and in life outside of themselves. when you go through those teenage years, teenagers are usually very self-conscious and my advice always to teenagers and young people is to move outside of yourself by looking at other people, by looking at ways you can use your own talents to either help other people or support other people or develop your interests. and i would say that barbara and jenna have certainly done that. >> this past year, 14 women took part in the bush institute's women's initiative. they spent time in the united states working with american mentors, and they learned new ways to advance their work at
home. today, they celebrated their graduation from the program. sharing their ideas and welcoming 19 new women who are about to begin their own fellowship. these are all egyptian women. the future of the women in hir own life was on laura bush's mind. while she's hoping to attend the birth of her grandchild, coincidently on the day the center officially opens. >> the minute the institute opens, you're leaving because -- jenna's having her baby. >> either right before or right after. we'll see, but i can't wait to go. >> wonderful time. >> egyptian poet once said when you educate a woman, you create a nation. that's what laura bush is trying to do. our full interview with the former first lady will air monday at 7:00 eastern right here on cnn. yoelg rr want to hear what she has to say about the republican party. have a wonderful weekend. "anderson cooper 360" starts right now.
erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. osama bin laden's spokesman and son-in-law in court just blocks away from ground zero. how he's caught, how he'll be tried, and what his capture does to al qaeda. peter bergen joins us. also, tonight, the week's most unforgettable moments on the stand for jodi arias to what happens next in a murder trial no one can stop talking about. we begin with breaking news. the head of one of america's largest airlines speaking out about the tsa's decision to allow certain small knives back on commercial flights. delta ceo writes, and i quote, we must object to the agency decision to allow small knives back in the aircraft cabin. we have culted with our flight attendant group and we share their lujijimate concerns about this decision. joining us is the president of the international association of flight attendants. you must be pleased that it delta ceo is weighing in on the
side of flight attendants. why are you opposed to this change by the tsa? >> because it's completely unnecessary to introduce a weapon to the aircraft, to introduce knives back into the cabin makes no sense. >> is it out of concern for the safety of flight attendants and other personnel onboard the aircraft that is your primary concern here? >> well, as flight attendants, we're in charge of the entire cabin, so our job is to be the first responders in any event and also the last line of defense in our nation's aviation security, so the attempt to reintroduce knives on board absolutely could impact any passenger onboard, and we're there for safety and to protect each and every passenger on each and every flight. >> the counterargument to this is these aren't weapons which are going to bring down an aircraft and this will allow tsa screeners more time to look for the kind of hidden weapons, you know, explosive devices, that
actually would bring down an aircraft. to that you say what? >> well, it doesn't make sense, again, so we appreciate all that our transportation security officers do each and every day to make sure that america's aviation system is the safest in the world, but to say that's going to somehow free up resources doesn't make any sense. today, there's a complete prohibition on knives coming through security. and to ease that restriction just is going to create a bottleneck. it doesn't make any sense. how big is this knife? is it long enough, wide enough, does it lock, does it not lock? you know, that is going to create confusion at the check points where as right now there's a complete prohibition and we want to see it stay that way. in reference to the airline support, this issue was raised a few years ago, and it was, you know, flatly shot down, and we had airline support. now, myself, i'm a flight attendant with alaska airlines, and that's one of the airlines that also was opposed to this a few years ago.
we're expecting more airlines to join in this chorus with us today's. as alaska airlines' ceo at the time remarked in 2000, alaska airline's passenger had a 2 1/2 inch knife and attacked the crew members, and he says a weapon such as a pointed tip could cause great harm on crew members and passengers in the cabin. so the story was the same seven years ago as it is today. we're all better off, and we're all safer without weapons onboard the aircraft. >> i appreciate your perspective. i appreciate you talking to us. thank you very much. i want to bring in john miller om cbs. john also worked for the los angeles police department and the fbi and intelligence. what do you make of that argument? flight attendants say this is ridiculous. this makes no sense whatsoever? >> you have to sympathize with the flight attendant point of view. they were the first victims of 9/11. they were the ones who were killed with box cutters and knives that were at that point legal to bring on planes, but they weren't the 2 1/2 inch
blades of the swiss army knife or the knife that people carry on their key chain. what tsa is trying to do is two things. they're trying to align themselves with the rest of the airline industry across the globe, which is the same, knives are okay, nothing longer than a 2 1/2 inch blade, the kind of knife you would find on a key chain. that's not the kind of device that is going to bring down an airline. and we have learned when somebody gets disorderly on a plane, in the post-9/11 world, the crew will tie the person up, tie them down, tape them to the seat. we have seen that even if it's the pilot, we have seen in one instance. that's one thing, to harmonize it with the rules that all of the other countries have. the second part is the important part, which is while they're looking at the x-rays trying to find the 2-inch knife, they need more time to concentrate on how the terrorists are going to bring down a plane, which is petn or tatp explosives hidden
in a printer cartridge or the case in china with the explosives were hidden inside of the tubes of the man on crutches or the underwear bomb that we saw got past a check point because it was focusing on can i find a lighter or a little knife. they have to be focused on the passenger's behavior, their intelligence. >> this might free up time at the tsa checkpoints? she was saying it creates confusion. they're going to think, is that under two inches? do i still have to look at it? >> when they see a big knife, that's going to be a no-go. thas what the rule is, but they'll spend less time locking for these tiny objects and more time focused on a mix of passenger intelligence and things that could be hidden that you could find at second or third glance if you spent the time rather than looking for the
little knife. >> they set the date for this back late in april. >> that april 25th, so you know, what they're looking for is just what ms. shook is telling us, which is they wand feedback from the industry, but they're trying to align themselves with the rest of the world. >> we hear from the ceo from delta who agrees with the flight attendants. >> a top al qaeda spokesman who happens to be osama bin laden's son-in-law pled not guilty in a court. he was arrested last month in jordan according to a spokesman for peter king. king is president of the house chamber committee. u.s. officials say he was tapped at al qaeda's official spokesman after the 9/11 attacks. in other words, he was a big catch back then, or so it would seem. two of the only journalists who have ever interviewed bin laden
are john miller, sitting right here, and peter bergen, who joins us now as well. peter, what do you make of this? is this really a big catch? >> yeah, this is a guy who made a poor marital choice, which was marrying one of bin laden's daughters. as a result of which he waz part of the bin laden inner circle, but he's a propagandist. he's -- even the diemindictment itself doesn't mention any terror plots. and yajohn will also remember there was a period where he was somewhat public in the late '01, 2002 period, and he disappeared from sight. that's a good reason because he wasn't that important. he was living under some form of house arrest in iran, and he has had little impact on al qaeda since or even when he was being very prominent. he was mostly just making statements and you know, statements were very poisonous statements, but that doesn't mean he was involved in 9/11. in fact, the evidence we have suggests that he wasn't
involved, didn't even know 9/11 was going to happen, a videotape that was recovered in a safe house, shows bin laden saying we didn't even clue this guy in. >> i read there is some thought perhaps he has information about the relationship between iran and the people who were part of al qaeda who were given or allowed to go into iran and have been living the for years. >> anyone who was part of the al qaeda senior leadership crew who was under arrest under time would be able to give the u.s. intelligence on how that worked. they know that iran had people under fairly tight house arrest and sometimes they would loosen that valve and allow them to meet, communicate overseas depending on the atmosphere over time. >> do you think sis a big catch, and what do you make of him being tried here in the united states? >> first of all, i think it's a symbolic catch. when you have said who says i'm speaking for al qaeda and shakes
his finger at the people of the united states on september 112t and says we're preparing an army to attack you. be ready for a storm, especially the storm of airplanes. don't fly in planes and don't live in high rise buildings because you won't be safe, that's somebody who is acting as part of al qaeda. that's conspiracy to kill americans, and that's what it says in the intitement. whether he should be in a courtroom downtown or in a military tribunal, i think that's a political argument. if you look at the numbers, guantanamo has been up for a decade. they have convicted four people in serious cases. at the same time, the federal courts have tried 500 terrorism cases here in the united states, 67 of those involving people who were captured overseas. they're indicted, a year later, they're on trial. after that, 87% of them are
serving long or life sentences. so you have to ask yourself, which system is working? and which system is struggling? >> and peter, we did hear from republican senators mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, among them, criticizing the obama administration for bringing this guy to civilian court. graham said the administration, quote, snuck him in under the nose of congress. do you think that's a valid criticism? >> i'm not sure, but i wantled to amplify and second what john was saying. there's nowhere worse in the world to be an alleged terrorist than in new york's state federal court. the conviction rate in new york state for these kinds of crimes are 100%. the conviction rate at guantanamo is less than 1%. in fact, some of the convictions in guantanamo have actually been overturned and the sentences that have been handed down have been minkuehl because it's time served and whatever country the accused terrorist comes from.
so both on the question of the fact that the senators are quite sure that the convictions have been overturned, that very few cases have actually been tried, guantanamo is not a very realistic place to put anybody. >> peter bergen, appreciate you being on, john miller as well. let us know knhawhat you think t this. do you think he should be tried here in new york? >> next, they have set a date to choose the next pope. the conclave is secret, we'll take you behind and keep a close eye on the sex abuse scandal surrounding the church. >> and later, where does another riveting week of trial in the jodi arias trial leave us. we'll give you analysis from jeff toobin and mark geragos. >> do you have any memories of slashing mr. alexander's throat? >> no. >> when you were asked on cross-examination if you did that, do you recall telling us that you did? >> yes. ♪ whoo! ♪ all around the world ♪ everybody singin' along
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they'll make history, especially so this time for the first time in 598 years, the previous pontiff will be alive to see it. there's another element, though, in the mix. controversy over the many sex abuse scandals rocking the church and some of the 115 cardinals. earlier tonight, i spoke with the national director of s.n.a.p., also john allen, our senior vatican analyst. walk us through the process. the sistine chapel has been transformed for this conclave. what has to happen before tuesday? >> two things, logistical things that have to be taken care of for example, the chimney atop the sistine chapel has to be fixed that gives us the black smoke that means no pope has been elected or the white smoke which means we have a pope. there's still a bank of tables that have to be arranged inside the sistine chapel where cardinals have carefully assigned seattling and so on.
all of that has to be done. in the meantime, the more important thing is there's political heavy lifting that has to go on in the next four days because at this stage, the consensus is there's no clear front runner for the papacy. the last thing these 115 cardinals who are going to cast votes want is to go into the cysteisistine chapel is to go i be deadlocked and have to stay there for three or four days. then they will be projecting images of deadlock and pural ses and in fighting. they have about four days to get their act together and to try to have a game plan when they go into the sistine chapel on tuesday. >> and john, each of those 115 cardinal electors get a ballot tuesday afternoon for the first round of voting. they actually write the name of their choice in a secret way. how do they do that? >> well, actually, what the ballot will do is the ballot is a piece of paper about this big. all the names of all of the cardinal electors are written on it in latin. you mark the guy you're voting
for, then each cardinal is also assigned a mark unique to him that he places on that ballot, and the logic there, anderson, is that the rules actually specify that you have to have two thirds of the vote plus one, and you cannot vote for yourself. >> and john, as you see it from your reporting, is there a front runner at this point or a clear front runner? >> no, thas exactly the problem. in 2005, when benedict xvi was elected, cardinal ra ninal ratz the front runner. what we have now instead is a field of six, seven, eight, as many as ten plausible candidates for whom you can make an argument, but no one of them towered over the field, and the risk therefore is in the early ballots of the conclave, the votes could be spread, no one could be getting close to the two thirds majority, 77 out of the 115 votes, which means they would have to go back to the drawing board and spend more time, and as i say, that's a
scenario they would like to avoid because they don't want the world to perceive them as disunified or paralyzed. >> and cardinal dolan who is there for the conclave, he has a blog. on it today, he talked about what the cardinals have been discussing since they have been there. interestingly, though, he felt the need to add this. he said, quote, those are the biggishis. you may find it hard to believe since the word on the street is all that we talk about is corruption in the vatican, sexual abuse, and money. do these topics come up? yes, do they dominate? no. what do you make of those comments? >> well, we're grateful any time anyone discusses child sex crimes. they happen in secret and secrecy is crucial to keeping the crimes going, so discussion is good. but these are men who have talked about that issue for many, many years. obviously action is what is
needed. and we would hope, frankly, that they would -- the pedophilia crisis would be higher on the priority list in the days ahead. >> your grub, david, released a list of papal candidates who you say are the most concerned about becoming the next pope. how did you choose -- and we're showing their pictures, how did you choose these men on the list? >> well, it's a combination, anderson, of hurtful things that they have done and hurtful things they have said. this crisis exists all over the world, but it's really only bubbled up to the surface in the western nation. so in the developing countries, there are papal candidates about whom we know very, very little, but we have certainly seen bishops who have fought against legal reforms that protect children. we have seen bishops who have used hard-ball tactics in court. we have seen bishops who continue to transfer predators and endanger kids. and those were the men we
targeted on our list. >> once voting gets under way, the media is shut out. the tweeting by the cardinals ceases, right? >> yes, absolutely. there are actually electronic jamming devices in the sistine chapel and the hotel where the cardinals will be staying, precisely to insure that cardinals who might try to sneak a blackberry or an ipad into that environment aren't able to post tweets or update their facebook status. >> john allen and david, appreciate it. >> coming up, the jodi arias trial. if you missed any of the testimony this week, we'll catch you up. jurors asked her 200 questions, including this on the night she killed her boyfriend. >> why is it you have no memory of stabbing travis? >> i can't really explain why my mind did what it did. maybe because it's too horrible. >> she says he was physically abusive. just ahead, you'll hear from two of travis alexander's friends
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tonight, jodi arias returns to the witness stand next week for her 18th day of testimony in her murder trial. she's accused of killing her ex-boyfriend, travis alexander. the courtroom was dark today, and the defense was probably ready for a brark it was quite a week for them, with her lawyers trying to undo damage from four days of cross-examination, and we got a sense of how her testimony is laying to the jury. >> reporter: for jodi arias, this week was all about proving she never planned to kill travis alexander. >> did you go to mr. alexander's home on june 4th with the intent on killing him? >> no, i didn't. >> reporter: the jury is well aware arias has changed her story three times. two years after the killing, she finally said she did kill travis alexander, but in self defense.
she claimed his anger and the physical abuse worsened after she caught alexander masturbating to a photo of a young boy, but if it was so startling, why hadn't she written about it in her journal? >> it was a highly negative event and a negative experience for me and not something i wished to remember. >> reporter: another week, another sex tape. this time, the defense played mainly alexander's voice. an effort to paint him as the more experienced sexually. >> you cannot say i don't work that. we've had two and three-hour sessions many times. >> the defense did all it could to clean up arias' image. even trying to explain away the text message arias sent to alexander suggesting she dress up like a dirty little school girl. >> the idea of the school girl in the outfit, was that something that -- that you were interested in or something that you were doing to please him? >> um, it would be more for his
pleasure because just being with him was enough for me, but he enjoyed that kind of stuff. >> by midweek, it was the jury asking the questions. more than 200 in all delivered by the judge. they started with this zinger. >> why did you put the camera in the washer? >> i don't have memory of that. i don't know why i would do that. >> reporter: the cram raw contained pictures of alexander in the shower. this one taken just two minutes before his death. photo time stamps put arias at alexander's house at the time of the killing. and what about arias' failing memory the day alexander died? she has testified she shot alexander first and doesn't remember anything after that. here in court, her defense lawyer tried to raise even the slightest doubt that it was arias who stabbed alexander nearly 30 times and sliced his throat so deep his head was nearly cut off.
>> do you have any memories of slashing mr. alexander's throat? >> no. >> when you were asked on cross-examination if you did that, do you recall telling us that you did? >> yes. >> was that a recollection or a logical assumption on your part? >> it was definitely not a recollection. >> reporter: the jury also wanted to know this. >> why did you place travis' body back in the shower? >> i could only speculate because i don't remember. >> reporter: and this. >> why is it that you have no memory of stabbing travis? >> i can't really explain why my mind did what it did. maybe because it's too horrible. >> reporter: when the jury's questions were done, arias'
defense lawyer stepped in yet again to try to repair the damage. >> so, jodi, that is the ultimate question. why should anybody believe you now? >> i lied a lot in the beginning. i understand that there will always be questions, but all i can do at this point is say what happened to the best of my recollection. and if i'm convicted, than that's because of my own bad choices in the beginning. >> reporter: bad choices that could cost her her life. randi kaye, cnn, phoenix. >> bad choices indeed. jodi arias and her lawyers have tried to paint travis alexander as physically abusive, a man who attacked her in a rage. that's not the man his friends say he was like. they socialized after alexander started dating arias, and they said they saw red flags early on
about jodi arias, including the time alexander described being robbed at gun point, and arias didn't seem kerned at all. you say when you first met jodi, your internal alarms went off. what do you mean by that? >> she had a very spooky kind of like a seductive style energy when she walked into the room. you know, when you looked her in the eye, she had an empty like there was no soul behind those eyes. >> and jacob, the woman you see on the stand, is that the way you remember her back then? >> if you mean the lying, manipulating jodi, absolutely. the one that she's trying to portray to the rest of the world like she's some meek, you know, honest person that just wants the best for people, you know, this battered woman that she's trying to portray, absolutely not. that's, you know, theperson she's trying to portray is not who i see on the stand. the lying, manipulating jodi
she's always been is definitely who where see on the stand. >> holly, do you agree with that. even the way she looks, the meekness she's trying to project, is that at odds with the way you remember her? >> she was never meek or quiet or reserved the way she is. the real jodi is the aggressive jodi you see talking to the prosecutor. that's the real jodi. >> i want to play a video your husband shot of travis telling a story about a near death experience. let's listen. >> tough people that's like pull the trigger or whatever. you one of those people who t k talks like they're tough. whatever. whatever, just to see how you'd react. >> what do you see? what kind of behavior do you see in her? >> um, in jodi, i see that she's very apathetic in that moment. she's annoyed almost like she doesn't want to be there. she doesn't care to hear this story. she's not interested in any way.
and i know for me, if my husband had experienced something like that, and knowing travis, we were in that moment, we were so into his story, we were so in the moment with him experiencing it, it was very poignant for all of us. and she just -- she just didn't even care. it was almost like she was frustrated that she even had to waste her time listening to it. >> jacob, did you ever see this side of travis that arias is describing on the stand? you know, she describes him as a man who was loving and fun at times but angry and abusive at other times. did you ever see any of that? >> absolutely not. travis was one of the softest, sweetest people i ever met. he got -- not that there's anything wrong with this, but manicuresweekly, had a pug named napoleon. when we went out on four-wheeling trips, he was anything but that macho, woman beating deviant she's trying to
describe him as. >> one of the things i find so creepy abili y about what she dd the killing itself is photographing him two minutes before she killed him. i assume you have seen them, the photos where he's looking directly into the camera lens, directly at her, and these were taken literally two minutes before she killed him. i just find that so bizarre. when you see those photos, particularly that face shot of him, what do you see? >> um, i see somebody that is -- when i look at those, he's completely unsuspecting. that's what scared me for travis, was he had absolutely no idea what was coming. and it was a sucker punch. it was a complete cheap shot by her. she caught him when he was not ready. and that tells me that there's no way that it could have been self defense because two minutes before, he's, you know,
supposedly attacking her, why is he that relaxed in a shower? that's what i see when i look at it, somebody who is completely unsuspecting that his life is about to be taken from him. >> i appreciate you being on. i know it's not easy and i appreciate you talking about your friend. >> thank you. >> our legal panel joins us, jeffrey toobin, mark geragos, coauthor of mistrial, an inside look at how the criminal justice system works and sometimes doesn't. mark, you heard them talking about the jodi arias they remember and also the travis alexander they knew. and they say she's nothing like the sort of quiet, meek person now on the stand. what do you make of that? is that just part of the ma makeunder jeff was talking about before? >> that's precisely what it is. you don't have to get someone who knew her to look at what is going on. there's a crafted effort to put forward somebodies who does not look like the vixen or manipulative vixen that she
looks like beforehand. this is now the frumpy librarian. >> jodi arias has made some pretty serious claims against alexander saying he was a pedophile, he was abusive. the prosecution hasn't put anybody on to be character winlss for them. is that somebody -- >> they could in theory, but that seems likely to be a side show that would actually dignify arias' claims with more credence than they deserve. there is no evidence he was a pedophile. there is no evidence he was abusive. her own diary doesn't record anything untoward that he did to her. so i mean, it just seems like such a transparent attempt to justify her behavior after the fact. you know, and dragging travis' name through the mud after he has no chance to defend himself, that's her only -- her really only hope in this case, but it's -- i can't believe the jury is going to buy it. >> at this point, how long can
you see her being on the stand for? >> this is longer on the witness stand than any witness in any trial i have ever been involved with, covering. she's now well -- >> i couldn't agree more. 30 years i have been practicing, i have never seen anything like it. >> the judge, you watch the trial, the judge is basically not participating. in a death penalty case you can sort of understand that because in a death penalty case, the judge wants to give the defendant every opportunity to tell her own story. but at this point, i mean, i would think the judge would want to step in and impose some sort of order and, you know, attention to the rules of evidence so that she could, you know, so this trial ends some day. >> i don't know, any state where you get into this 250 questions, i talked to a lot of lawyers, trial lawyers i know today, and they were just as aghast as i have been. the idea that somehow you're trying the case and jurors are getting interactive and it's going on, not just 12 questions, but hundreds and hundreds of questions, i mean, i think it just turns the system upside
down. it's not supposed to be like this. this isn't what an adversarial system is. we hear from people saying it's a search for the truth, this and that. that's true, within an adversarial system. they're not supposed to have all these deputized das sitting in the box, asking questions, they're supposed to be the impartial fact finders where. >> mark and i disagree about this. i think this arizona system is great. i do not think jurors should be bumps on a log. given a life or death decision, they should have the opportunity to ask questions, circumscribed by the judge. >> would you say 150 of those questions were circumscribed by the rules of evidence? >> i think enough is enough, but i think it's a tremendous tribute to the jury that they're so focused and asking so many questions. that indicates such knowledge of
the case. >> if you're her lawyer, do you want her off the stand? do you want to try to get her off? >> you want her off, but at this point, that's sfie and far between to pull that back. >> her lawyer obviously has a different strategy. her lawyer has just kept her up there, asking her all these oprah style questions about how did you feel, what was your relationship? did you live him, did you love him unconditionally? basically trying to give this big picture of her life to the jury. maybe it will work on the death penalty, maybe it will not. >> i think that's exactly what he is doing. you're right. he's decided, okay, you want to make this a daytime tv show, jerry springer esq, i'm going to welcome it, i'm going to roll around in it. >> it's a risk. i mean, we'll see. i just think his strategy -- >> you people with ph.d.s, you're so judgmental. >> in order to be a prosecutor,
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keeping them honest tonight, a religious boarding school in montana that attracted national attention for the kind of discipline it practices, what some call out right child abuse. the subsequent outcry prompted montana legislature to act, taking up legislation to try to regulate such schools. something else stopped that action cold. >> it's a religious boarding school for troubled children in the mountains of western montana. the pine haven christian children's ranch where the scenery is beautiful but where some accusations are so very ugly. a husband and wife who worked there until 2010 as house
parents said this. >> children were hurt at pinehaven. when kids won't aboy, physical pain is used, whether it's pressure points. sometimes they were drug down the hill. sometimes they were choked. >> former student melissa remembers one particular house parent. >> he picked me up by the -- under my neck, just like at my trachea. and he's about 6'2" and i'm about 5 foot nothing. i'm maybe 4'10", and he picked me up by my throat and slammed me down on the kitchen table. >> the owner of the ranch is bob larson. >> why do you think people are saying such bad things. >> ultimately, we only have one enemy who wants to defiet the good in the worth. that's satan. >> did the devil make this man do it. ned is the house parent melissa was referring to. >> some of the kids who are now adults tell us you used to check thome.
>> that's totally false. >> what is it you did to them? >> used pressure points to restrain them. >> what does that mean? >> places on your body where nerve endings are close -- >> show me, where on my body? >> right there. >> show me. >> right there. >> two hands or one hand? >> usually just one. >> could that not be intrerpretd as choking? >> i suppose it could be. >> we interviewed seven former students and employees who say choking and assault were part of life on the ranch. they led many in montana to demand its staub, to put an end to the abuse. what could possibly be controversial about that? bob larson testified before legislators considering a bill to regulate religious boarding schools. he said the accusations are overblown. >> i don't think everybody here believes everything you read in the newspaper because they have their own agenda. >> schools like pinehaven don't
have to be regulated by the state like all other schools, no matter that pinehaven is u unacredit, unlicensed, and teachers don't even have montana teaching licenses, but this man said the bill would be a violation of church and state. >> it would absolutely be a violation for the government to regulate it. >> however, the sponsor said it's protecting the children. >> it's not about religion. >> they point out that every other religious boarding school in the state except pine haven has voluntarily agreed to be regulated, but bob larson said there is no more choking or so-called pressure pointing and spent at least 20 minutes in the state capital talking and doing the kind of power point one would do for perspective students and their families. >> we invite you to come to western montana and visit pinehaven. >> suddenly the pace picked up. judiciary chairman was in an
interrupting mood. >> try to be brief. we're running out of time. step up, state your name. one minute or one sentence. either way. we're on to the next question. we have to learn to ask and answer the questions briefly. >> finally, one legislator in support of regulating pinehaven couldn't take it any longer. >> i'm extremely upset about what is happening right now. i don't think there's anything more important than the safety of our children, and we listened to a 20-minute presentation that had very little to do with the topic of this bill. >> the questioning of larson were short, a vote was taken. 12-8 against regulation. the bill was dead. crayton concerns, the chairman of the committee, was one of the 12 who voted not to regulate pinehaven. >> don't you think if there was someone in the state looking over the place, the children would be safer? >> i don't think it would change it. >> why do it for the other schools? >> huxly told us, brave new world, it's stabilize. i don't buy it.
>> why do it for the other schools, for industries. >> good point. let's repeal all of that. >> are you serious? >> yeah, why do we need that regulation. >> even when it comes to the safety of children? >> jenny was the one who was emotional in the hearing. >> it was shocking that we are hearing about children being abused and we didn't do anything about, not even get all of the information on the table. i definitely lost sleep over it. it's really troubling. >> gary tuchman joins us now. can this bill be reintroduced during the legislative session? >> this bill is dead for the session, anderson, and unlike most states, montana's legislature doesn't meet every year, only in odd number years so the bill can't be reintroduced until 2015. >> if they had approved the bill, what were the chances in the house and senate. >> it was by party lines, eight in favor were democrats, 12 against were republicans. republicans do dominate the
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time now for the ridiculist. tonight, we have a tragic tale from england where a house fire started because of the burning passion of two pet tortoises being intimate with each other. the tortoises' names are henry and alice. we don't have a picture of them, but these random tortoises like l like they might be in the throws themselves. henry knocked over his own heating lamp which then set fire to some wood chips and the room subsequently bust into flames, also burning down the garage. the owners say henry had just come out of hibernation. i didn't know tortoises were so